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Troy Library Update: Library Will Not Close to Public May 1 (Updated April 19, 2011)

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(Updated information: May 17, 2011)

At the Troy City Council meeting on April 18, the Council decided that the Troy Public Library will not close to the public on Sunday, May 1.

We have no further information. We will post updates on this website as we receive them.

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Submitted by RM (not verified) on

Once again council is not listening.  When they grab for the taxes they cannot limit themselves to the status quo.  Thay have got to try to get more which just fuels the opposition. This doomed previous funding attempts and will hurt this one too.  Lets fund the library at the current level and let the budget grow with the increase in property values, if and when they come. I for one am happy with the current level and would be happy with less.

Submitted by Skeptic (not verified) on

A May 11, 2011 article in the Oakland Press says the current library budget of $2.3 Million keeps the library open for 55 hours per week.   If $2.3 Million is needed to operate the library now, why does the City Council's Proposed Ballot Question ask for .70 mils, which will raise over $3.13 Million in the first year?   Dividing the current library budget of $2.3 Million by the 2,860 hours the library is currently open per year (55 hrs per week x 52 weeks) results in an hourly cost of $804 for each hour the library is open.   Even if the library opened for an additional 8 hours each week, they would only need and additional $335,000 (8 hrs per week x 52 weeks x $804).   Why is the extra money being requested if the proposed millage is only going to fund the library?   Is the City Council going back to the old "get more spend more" mentality?

Does anyone else wonder how other communities are funding their libraries?   I do not believe all of the other communities have increased taxes to continue operating their libraries.   I cannot name even one community that is experiencing the turmoil that Troy is experiencing! 

Also, the City Council and City Manager state that the Transpo Center will not cost the City of Troy any more money beyond the $447,000 already spent.   They state that it will be funded entirely by Federal funds.  I would like to know who will pay for all of the future maintenance and upkeep for the next 40 or 50 years?   I imagine the burden will fall on the shoulders of Troy residents.  I also imagine this Transpo Center will become an underused white elephant that will not pay for itself.   Birmingham was smart to back out of the Transpo Center. 

Something is wrong in the City of Troy!

Submitted by Siouxnami (not verified) on

The reason the mill rate is asked for at the specified level is because it takes into account that it will generate LESS than that going forward.  What you call "too much" will decrease for the next few years according to projections of shortfall in revenue to the city based on our property values.

Further, it's very difficult for the casual observer to see why things cost what they do.  Rather than ask why they charge so much and why don't they pay only this...go find out why.  Ask the professionals whose job it is to set budgets, pay staff, figure in utilities, etc.

And remember that a great many of what you call "employees" might be volunteers who are unpaid.

Submitted by Cathy Russ on

The Troy Public Library's budget for the current fiscal year (July 1, 2010 – June 30, 2011) is $2,685,000.

In answer to the question about how other communities fund their libraries, all of the libraries in the communities that border Troy, with the exception of the Sterling Heights Public Library, have dedicated millages. Southfield Public Library, West Bloomfield Township Public Library, Auburn Hills Public Library, Pontiac Public Library, and Farmington Hills Community Library also have dedicated millages.

Submitted by paulm (not verified) on

Last year's proposal would raise $4.2 mln for the library in the first year.

Do we really need  $4mln library with 60 employes ?

Why not $2mln or $1.5mln library ?

I see all these duplicate DVDs ( 4 copies each sitting on the shelves)entire TV series, all special "programs", one library person almost always sitting idle in the adult section  and it makes me wonder how good library management really is.

Why not 30 or 40 employes. Why not open 3 or 4 times a week.

Why all or nothing.

Submitted by Bob M (not verified) on

Don't spend extra money on a splitting the library question from the general election in Nov. There will be a better turn out in November as many want a chance to to weigh in on the oouncils handling of this issue.  A seperate election 3 months apart  sounds like another way to slip one by the voters when the turnout is usually low. 

Also, regarding the transit center. Do "no further costs" include legal fees and administration costs for the city to fight the  attempt  of the original owner to regain the property? I doubt it.

Submitted by rjfriend (not verified) on

I am greatly encouraged by our Neighboring Citizens support yesterday for Library Millages in Clawson and Madison Heights.

I support a Dedicated Millage for the Library on the August 2 ballot and until then support funding reduced hours. The August ballot will not be as crowded as the November one, with Mayoral, City Council and School Board elections

 

Submitted by Ronald R. Lambert (not verified) on

I hope there will be another millage request to fund the Troy Public Library on the ballot in August. But whether there is or not, August will be a referendum on the Mayor and City Council.

The people who will be up for re-election this August include Mayor Louise E. Schilling; and Council Persons Robin E. Beltramini, Martin Howrylak, and Mary Kerwin.

Of these, Louise Schilling, Robin Beltramini, and Mary Kerwin have consistently voted to close the Troy Public Library (and thereby kill the city). Martin Howrylak has voted against closing the Library, but in the past he has acted behind the scenes to defeat the millages which would have provided for independent funding and oversight of the Library. All these people should be voted out of office, to let them know what we think of their poor judgment in seeking to close the Library.

I believe Schilling may be term-limited anyway. But whoever is elected mayor, let it be someone who is committed to keeping the Library open.

Let us make sure that anyone whom we vote for as mayor or council member, HAS A LIBRARY CARD! (Not all of them do.) Anyone who does not care enough about the Troy Public Library to have a Library card, has no business being in city government!

Submitted by Beth Tetrault (not verified) on

At the City Council meeting last night, there was discussion over the library. For next Monday’s council meeting, I believe the plan is to make a decision about what to do about the library. There was talk about either funding the library until August when a millage could be proposed at a special election or until November during regular elections. There was also deliberation on whether a proposal would be for a full-service or reduced-service library. If you care about the library and want to get involved, here are some things you can do…

Watch the archive web cast of the City Council meeting last night to hear the complete discussion about the library.

http://www.troymi.gov/Council/Meetings/Archive.aspx

Or watch a cablecast of last night’s meeting (channel 10 if you have WideOpenWest and channel 17 if you have Comcast). Meetings are replayed on Wednesdays at 10 AM, Thursdays at 7 PM and Saturdays and Sundays at 4 PM and 10 PM.

Look over the Proposed Fiscal Year 2011-2012 Annual Budget and Three-Year Budget.

http://www.troymi.gov/budget/

E-mail the City Council members with your opinions or any questions you have.

http://www.troymi.gov/council/

Talk to Councilman Dane Slater and Councilwoman Maureen McGinnis who will be holding separate Office Hours at the Troy Community Center in Room 404 on Tuesdays, May 3 from 6:30 – 8:30 pm.

On next Monday, May 9, attend or watch the live web cast of City Council Special Budget Study Session at 6:00 pm followed by a regular meeting at 8:30 pm.

http://www.troymi.gov/councilwebcast.aspx

Submitted by phlewa (not verified) on

It sounds like you are sayiing that the only thing that City Council can think of is to raise taxes. The only answer is a new tax in August, or a new tax in November?  

The solution is not to raise taxes, but rather to cut spendng, reduce wages and benefits of the city employees, just like every other company in the country  has had to do.

Submitted by Beth Tetrault (not verified) on

The city of Troy has already taken numerous measures to cut costs.  Here's a 4 page document listing what they have done so far http://www.troymi.gov/BestPractices2011.pdf   I found it on the City of Troy website on the home page.  I don't like paying more taxes either, but I value the library.  Hey, if I'm going to another city to buy a non-resident card, why wouldn't I just spend the money here in Troy?

Submitted by Steve (not verified) on

Especially in a forward thinking community like Troy, it would truly be a shame to see the library close.  In my opinion, a community's library is a tangible measure of its commitment to education, knowledge and truth.  It's more than a place where books are stored, it's an experience that enriches the soul and reminds us of how much there is learn and grow.  I'm looking forward to my kids getting old enough for the weekly trip to the library.  Adjust the business model if necessary, but find a way to keep this resource available for all in the community.

Submitted by Bob M (not verified) on

Todays Birmingham Eccentric makes a great case for putting an end to the transit center mess and using whatever city funds( $1.3 million plus whaterver council failed to tell the voters about) towards support of the library.  Birmingham may not even build a permanent boarding platform near the the location so Troy would stuck with a $10 million bus stop since a boarding platform cannot be built on the Troy side of the tracks.  Why is Birmingham smarter than Troy, they are cutting their losses and dumping this project while our council keeps trying to close the library.

Submitted by Beth Tetrault (not verified) on

Just to clarify there will be no more Troy funds spent on the project if it goes forward.  Only federal funds will be spent.  So unfortunately, stopping the transit project would not help the library.  If we don't build the station, that money goes back to the federal government.

Submitted by Sudhakar (not verified) on

I am glad city council's thinking is in the right direction to keep library open. Library signifies growth and civilization and it should never be closed.

 To keep library revenue, I would like library management to start charging membership fee to other city residents accessing our library (unless other cities are paying towards library expenses) and limit number books than can be borrowed by each library card holder.

 -Sudhakar

 

Submitted by jrlibrary (not verified) on
We have a world-class library in our community. In today's Free Press, the article "Metro Detroit Libraries Curtail Nonmember Use" made me realize again that we need to hold on to what we have in Troy now, even if there has to be reduced hours until there is broad support for a Dedicated Millage on the November ballot.
The future of the Library needs a Dedicated Millage.

Submitted by Concerned Troy ... (not verified) on

It it clear that Troy residents value their library. They also voted no new millage, period. If the city government want to keep the library, it can be done. It's a matter of priority. Troy city government should listen to and serve the residents, not the other way around.

Submitted by Rochelle Kowalski (not verified) on

Finally, the Board does something worthwhile.  I only hope that they find a way to keep the library open if even on a part time basis.  Perhaps, they need to look at charging "nonresidents" for the use of our library.  We wouldn't be the first city to do that!  When I saw a nonresident take out, what looked to be over 30 cds the other day. I was appalled.  He even commented to the check out person that his library limits the number that can be taken out.

Hang in there you wonderful library employees - the Troy citizens are looking out for you and the service you provide.

 

 

Submitted by Beth Tetrault (not verified) on

The library's fate still hangs in the balance.  The Troy City Council has only delayed the closure until a vote is taken on the 2011-2012 budget.  The next two council meetings are crucial.  

May 2nd @ 7:30 pm City Council Meeting

May 9th @ 6:00 pm City Council Special Budget Study Session followed by a regular meeting at 8:30 pm

We need to continue to educate ourselves on the budget which is available on the City of Troy website.  We need to e-mail our council members.  We need to attend meetings. 

 

Submitted by barbara (blanke... (not verified) on

My Grandma (clara blankenship) dragged us out of bed every Saturday to knock on doors, all over EVERYWHERE, not just Troy, to ask strangers if they had any books to donate to the library to sell to make money to start the library. "You can watch cartoons anytime!", she used to say.  'm sorry for not knowing about this sooner.  i was watching cartoons.

 i'm wondering if it might at all be possible to do like we did in the old days, (i was SIX!  you can't do that now!) knock on doors and ask for a dollar, spare change, anything.  Because i am certainly not very bright,  did not realize they were going to actually KILL the library!   My Worthless It's Too Late Now idea is to get a permit if you need one, and send out any troops available--have the children in school ask their parents to donate a dollar, have people knock on doors for donations, get in touch with the media, start a riot, lock yourselves inside refusing to leave unless the council comes to their senses...Do we know any Famous Rich People?

i am so sorry for not realizing sooner what tragedies were befalling you.  I wish i had even pop bottles to donate to come up with the money you need. (maybe the door to door people could ask if people had empty bottles to donate?)  You have been such an awesome library, i am ashamed.  .bj

                                                                                      IT'S NOT OVER TIL IT'S OVER! NEVER GIVE UP! NEVER GIVE IN!

 

Submitted by SSK (not verified) on

Reading this post, and all the replies which read - city did the right thing- we did it!!! Etc Etc, are we to assume that the library is NOT closing or what?

Submitted by Troy Library Pa... (not verified) on

Thank you to all of the library employees who have had to hang in there while the factions have pushed, pulled, lied and cried in order to get their own way. Let's hope you get enough funding for a decent amount of hours and staffing so you aren't crushed with patrons should the "20 hour" proposal become a reality. 

And a special thanks to the cute young brunette (Corrine?) who helped me with my job search a few months back. I LANDED A JOB!!!!

Submitted by Liz (not verified) on

I too thank all the employees for their hard work with fewer staff.  They were always cheerful, patience, and helpful.  Troy would not be the same without them.  They make the library work. Thank you for hanging in there during this time of stress.  A big pat on the back to our library director.

 

Submitted by Concerned Citizen (not verified) on

It is extremely short-sighted for the City of Troy to get rid of the library.  Bugdgets must be balanced but honestly, this is not the place to cut it.  I grew up in Troy, and graduated high school from there.  I can tell you honestly that if the Troy Public Library was not around, I would not have been as successful educationally.  This is a travesty, to be honest.  Troy Schools are the pride of Michigan and to be honest, much of that has to do with the ease and accessibility of books and material at this library.  When my high school friends and I wanted somewhere to meet to study or work on homework, the Library was always the location.  When we had to do research for school, there was only one place to go. 

I am highly disappointed that this city of all in Oakland County is having this issue.  I am not that familiar with the budget, but I've read comments below about unnecessary golf courses, and other items.  Whether or not this is true, I am not sure.  However, the lawmakers who state that this library needs to be closed in order to keep a balanced budget are not thinking creative enough to come up with a fix.  If they WANTED to keep it open, trust me, they would have found a way.  There may have to be compromises, or a tax hike, but if you want your children to excel in school, college, and then the work place; think for the future, not for the past.  Sacrifice golf courses that may only cater to retirees (no offense) and invest in your children. 

Submitted by Won Chung (not verified) on

There are two tangible things that make Troy a great place to live: The school district (including the nationally renowned high schools) and the Troy Public Library (TPL). They go together like hands and gloves. It is an imperative to take good care of them, if we want to survive/prosper in this knowledge era, as a community and nation. Closing TPL is akin to plundering our seed corns and then expecting to reap any harvest next year and beyond. The harsher the economy becomes, the more we should invest in education and learning. I have benefited tremendously from TPL, and all my children have proudly graduated from Troy schools to go to colleges.

As a small token of appreciation, I'd like to share my thoughts with the concerned citizens of Troy.
[1] It would be really interesting to conduct a survey or voting on the following 2 simple questions:
        - Do you mind closing TPL? (Maybe we did not ask because the answer was so obvious? But, we always need proofs and verify the obvious.) As someone said, if the answer is a loud and clear NO, the city polity would/should have found a solution a while ago.
        - Which would you choose closing, TPL or golf courses, if one of them must be closed? It is a matter of priorities.
[2] Like many of us, I don't know the details or internals of the city/county government and budgets. But, how they operate is bound to manifest itself inevitably over time (though it might take a while). The talk of closing TPL is one such manifestation, sadly. A smaller item (from personal obervation) is the TPL online search feature, which has become worse, instead of improving, after a revision a couple years ago. It was much better to find categories of items by media, author, etc. Now, it is almost disfunctional. This sometimes happens in software. When I inquire about this, TPL staff pointed me to the city IT department which was responsible for maintinaing the online software. It is the responsbility of the city officials to assign/supervise the proper requirements to the IT people as well as hiring the right IT talent. It begs a question, Is this true and Why if it is true? A formal study can be conducted to (dis)prove this argument, without much cost.
[3] The city has a lot of highly educated residents. It might be possible to tap into that, to brainstorm the ideas for fund raising and volunteer activities besides certain taxations. It would be also helpful to open the books (opearting budgets, etc.) to the public to do this. I considered chipping in some hours for IT volunteer work but did not come forward because I did not want to jeopardize the city IT workers. The same could be true for the TPL itself. We should come up with a workable way to explore the eager, able volunteers to help reduce the cost and improve the services.

Submitted by Barry Hyland on

Mr. Chung,

I appreciate your comments regarding the library and find them insightful.

You also bring up another issue regarding our public catalog searching and your unhappiness with it. I am sorry to hear this. I am also very disappointed by your report that someone from our staff directed you to the city's Information Technology staff to resolve your concerns. The city's IT staff does not directly manage our Polaris integrated library system (ILS). We do that ourselves and I am the systems specialist with that responsibility.

While the interface for our new system is quite different than our previous catalog, it is a superior system, and I believe you will be able to easily do all the things you want to your satisfaction. I would be happy to sit down with you and demonstrate the capabilities of the catalog when that is possible with your schedule and our availability. I think you will find it a very powerful tool that provides a higher level of functionality than our previous system. And I am always open to suggestions for improving our patron experience. Please email me at b.hyland@troymi.gov or call me at 248-524-3553.

Submitted by AFA (not verified) on

dear all,

as a researcher, dad, and a guy who  spends a lot of his time in libraries, I believe there is a lot to do here, just compare it with next door libraries, Rochester, and west bloomfield>>> as we try to compare apple to apple, we in troy are behind  in EVERY ASPECT..and that does matter

Submitted by April (not verified) on

Dear Concerned citizen: I am on full agreement with you on the value of the library.  However, I am aware of the budget and I do understand the city council's decision to close the library.  Here are some of the highlight.  You may have noticed the decline in property values?  They are expected to continue to decline for at least the next 3-4 years.  The city's general fund (that part of the budget that is used for the library, police, city services etc.) relies on property taxes for the most part to fund this.  Revenues have, therefore, been declining steadily.  The city manager recognized a potential problem back in 2008-2009 and has been working with the city council to reduce expenditures.  Some of the things that have been done include:

*City manage took a 5% pay decrease (he will be taking an additional 10% pay cut in July)

*City staff has been drastically reduced, wages and benefits have been reduced when allowable by contracts.  In some cases entire departments have been privitized.  Once vital departments like the parks and recreation department have been absorbed into other departments with a bare bones staff.

*The police department budget cuts will bring them down to 93 or so sworn officers.  This is about the size of the police force we had in 1978

*Both the golf courses have been privitized, the city hasn't funded these in over a year.  NO CITY FUNDS GO TO THE GOLF COURSES ANYMORE!

*The nature center and the museum were also not funded in the three year budget beginning 2011. Both have found some private funding and are being run WITHOUT CITY FUNDS

*The aquatic center and community center have made changes so that they are self sustaining.

Concerned citizen, I wish the city council had the authority to just raise taxes. But in 2008, a charter amendent passed that stated that all tax increases had to be voted on by the citizens of the city. 

In 2010 we had two millage proposals.  In February there was a 1.9 mil. increase request that would have allowed us to continue without noticeable changes in the services to the city.  That proposal failed due largely to  propoganda fill witih lies and 1/2 truths. 

In November, a group of CITIZENS proposed a millage of about .95 to fund an independent library.  The monies from this millage would have been dedicated to the library for 10 years with the oversight of the library being done by an elected voluntary board.  AGain, amid lies, 1/2 truths, and deceptions of the opposition, this too failed (you may recall the 4 nearly identical proposal on the ballot in November).

So concerned citizen, much as been and is being done to keep the city of Troy solvent.  The library, although sad, is only a symptom of the bigger problem we are all facing.  If you would like more information on the state of the city please visit Trustroy.org.

Submitted by Citizen f Troy (not verified) on

Don't cut money to the library!! Do away with the parasite police force and Troy's bloated traffic court,  they (police and traffic judges are thieves, commiting highway robbery by stealing the money of actual productive citizens.

Those who which to cut the Library want the average people of Michigan to live in ignorance, continuing this pathetic states downward spiral.

Submitted by angrytroy (not verified) on

The other night, I had dinner with four families, all of whom lived in Troy.  After some discussion, we were all in agreement that if this library closes, we will vote against every city council members who voted against the library.  Some of us were for the mileage.  Some of us did not vote.  I was for the milage, but now that it was voted down... Cut the golf courses, Cut other services, but not the library.    

Personally, I will write their names down and keep an eye out every year.  I will make sure that I vote against them till the day I die.  I am not alone.    

 

Submitted by westy bloomfield (not verified) on

why can't troy-ers just accept the fact that their library is closing. IT IS CLOSING. and sixteen people really doesn't matter. SO SHUT YOUR FACE. 

Submitted by Senior VOTER (not verified) on

Sounds like a lot of the writers on this blog have different opinions about the budget, millage, golf courses and library, but we agree on one thing - this CLOWNSIL regime must be VOTED OUT - we are really being laughed at by many!  I have had calls by out of state friends asking if I am ready to move out of Michigan. 

And by the way, I am a retired senior who pays plenty in property taxes, reads and takes long walks.  I do not use the aquatic center and cannot afford to golf, or shop at Sommerset Collection with my very modest pension and a small SS check.  But, I am a VOTER!

I have a Van and plenty of time to run my friends and neighbors to the polls VOTE in the next election.

Submitted by Troy Resident (not verified) on

I'm glad that selected members of the council are FINALLY listening to the wishes of the residents!  In response to the headline last week that stated Troy residents do not trust their council, this is one resident/voter who does not trust them!  Plus, anyone who votes to close the library WILL NOT get my vote in the next election.

Submitted by Skeptic (not verified) on

Hmmmm. So maybe they don't need MORE MONEY to keep the library open? Were they bluffing all along?

Submitted by Siouxnami (not verified) on

The very definitely need more money to keep it open AND keep everything else funded at the low levels we have now.

If you want to continue to lose services...then we don't need more money.  But if you want a thriving, sustainable city...vote for a millage increase if offered.

Submitted by JP (not verified) on

Thank you, all the citizens who kept the pressure on the city council to keep the library open.  They (the council) had better listen to the people who voted them in, and do the right thing,  'cause the people can "vote" them out too - just look at what happened in Egypt.

Submitted by Kathy (not verified) on

The library will be saved.  The council is finally getting the point that the citizens of Troy will not stand for it being closed!  Hi! to all the staff, I miss you guys!  Kathy M.

 

Submitted by Rija (not verified) on

i hope this really means they are trying to keep library open not just showing that they tried.

atleast for now i am happy :) i dont have to return books on May 1st :)

Submitted by cpm (not verified) on

From reading the posts below it is clear why the millage failed and how people simply don't "get it". It costs money to run a library the same way it costs you money to buy gas, food and clothes. If your income drops 20-30% then you have that much less money to spend. Troy like every other city in Michigan has experienced a similar drop in revenue due to the lower tax base (resulting from a decline in home values). "2011 is the 5th straight year that home values have decreased" - city of Troy assessors office. The average decrease in the past year alone was 7.5%. It doesn't take a mathematical genius to put 2+2 together to figure out the city's income has gone down...significantly. We in Troy already benefit from a relatively "free" fire department given it is volunteer based. Thank you, thank you, thank you firemen and women!! There aren't that many other things left to cut given every department has already been outsourced or is operating on a skeleton crew barely limping along. The fact remains this is a financial decision to preserve the other operations of the city. If there isn't enough money there are only two ways to fix that (1) raise more money (e.g., say by passing a millage); or (2) cut costs. If you ever listened to the people that have the facts (Mr. Lamerato) rather than someone looking to scare/mislead you (Mr. Howrylak) you might understand the situation. To be clear the "four" that a poster below (phlewa) indicates want to close the library are the ones that understand the facts and supported the millage as that was the only way to save the library without sacrificing some other service that the residents like. Council members Howrylak, Fleming and Beltramini keep "trying to save" the library at council meetings, however, they never present a realistic funding option and are actually opposing the library behind the scenes. Just look at the misleading document that was distributed just prior to the millage vote by Mr. Howrylak. How does a person keep their job after doing something like that? I actually find it funny that Mr. Howrylak has never owned a home in Troy. As for the lady that lived in Troy for 40 years, do you realize the city only receives 27% of every $1 on your tax bill? The rest goes to the county, school district, SMART and the zoo. And that 27 cents has to pay for all those city services. We shall see how this pans out. I think this is only the beginning. Today it is the library, unless tax revenues increase (say by a tax hike or a miraculous rebound in housing prices) there will be more cuts on the horizon. You need to think about the city you want to live in and ask yourself if you are willing to pay your share for services you want and that make Troy great or if you are happy living in a mediocre community. This isn't about government vs the people, this is about people stepping up and taking responsibility (financially).

Submitted by JEP (not verified) on

Cities are not owed libraries. To have a library you must pay for it.  Certain council members (initilals MH, for example) either did not know that, although that information is pretty common knowledge, or are lying
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Submitted by Peoplearenuts (not verified) on

Is that you Louise?  Kerwin??  One of your puppets responding???

Submitted by An Avid Golfer (not verified) on

 

TWO GOLF COURSES AND NO LIBRARY - and the City management has to pay for a survey to hear what we have been telling them every other Monday. Why are they still in power when they just don't get it ?
There are over 100 golf courses in Oakland County. The taxpayers have paid over $15 MILLION to build and maintain Sanctuary Lake. WHY ?? The mayor and City Manager supported this wasteful boondoggle and for what public purpose ? There is absolutely no benefit to the residents of Troy. A MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR is wasted on Sanctuary Lake. Now they believe allowing an OUT-Of-STATE Corporation to reap profits unfairly WITHOUT PAYING PROPERTY TAXES is a solution. All they have done is locked-in future losses. The 100 non municipal golf courses must pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in property taxes every year and the City management signs a lease that exempts their handpicked operator from paying real estate taxes. Talk about a giveaway and unfair competition. These prime locations must be sold and the City should collect $ 500,000 per year in property taxes that they now are giving away to a foreign operator. The revenue stream for a city should be property taxes, not greens fees.

 

 

Submitted by TONY (not verified) on

i believe that entire city administration needs to be fired and let state of michigan take over our government business as this council and mayor is no good. i am going to write to rick snyder and let him know that city of troy manager makes more than him. who gives the right to the city manager and mayor of troy to maintain a lavish salary and luxurious benefit package when people like us are losing our jobs and our salaries are going down the hill. 

 

 

Submitted by Citizen of Troy (not verified) on

Please let know the contact information of those against the library:Schilling, Kerwin,  McGinnis, and Slater I am sure the citizens will make thier opinions know.

Submitted by JEP (not verified) on

Are you kidding??? McGinnis, Kerwin, Schilling, and Slater know if we want a GOOD library we need to be able to afford it. Howrylak in particular did not/does not do his homework and is so willing to lie about what he does/doesn't know.

 

Submitted by angrytroy (not verified) on

No, Right now... these four are in the way of keeping the library open.  Again, I sided with these four and was FOR the previous millages, but the way they are now behaving.  Sticking your head in the ground and refusing to discuss about the library's future reaks of bad politics.  The previous millages failed.  Heaven forbid, Can't we at least try to discuss other options?      

Submitted by GB (not verified) on

Thanks..Hopefully a decision will be made by July so we could finalize if we should look for a home in Rochester Hills.

Submitted by phlewa (not verified) on

OK, here are the details from last night's council meeting.

Thanks to Martin Howrylak, Robin Beltramini, and Wade Fleming because every council meeting those 3 council members have been trying to keep the library open, and every week those 3 come up with a new proposal to keep the library open.

In the past, it has always been Schilling, Kerwin,  McGinnis, and Slater who have continually voted to close the library and who refuse to discuss keeping the library open.

Finally, last nite, Robin Beltramini AGAIN!!!!! made another proposal to keep the library open, and for the very  first time  Slater did not immediately shut her down, and he fianally agreed to listen to how Robin, Martin, and Wade  want to keep the library open. Slater stated he "finally understands that the public might want to keep the library". 

It has always been the 4 council members Schilling, Kerwin,  McGinnis, and Slater who have consistenty voted to get rid of the library, and we only need 1 of those 4 to break ranks and join with Martin,Wade, and Robin in order to keep the library. Slater is wavering and perhaps, Slater might finally be persuaded to vote with Howrylak, Beltramini, and Fleming to keep the library.

It is not a done deal, we still need to keep the pressue on Slater in order to have him join with Howrylak, Beltramini, and Fleming to keep the libary, but from what he said last nite, it appears that Slater might come to our side.

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